Moral anti-realism is a big thing in many “””rationalist””” spaces.
If you don’t think morality is real and only fear consequences if caught, why would you not act the way these men acted? Not everyone has a conscience. Maybe associate with moral explicitly ethical people.
I have to be honest I truly thought this was a parody for almost the first half, but I guess it is not?
I do not want to be mean here, I really don't, especially because it seems that you really are extraordinarily fragile, though I can't tell if that's something you can help or actually something you seem to idealize?
But just...have you considered the possibility that the reason people think you are neurotic and paranoid and out of bounds is not because they're brainwashed by the patriarchy or defending themselves against their own internal pain or whatever it is you think, but that you really are unhealthily neurotic and paranoid? In a bad way? What probability do you assign that? If you were suffering paranoid delusions or far outside behavioral norms, how would you be able to tell? Because I'll say from an outsider's perspective, this sounds crazy.
Do you really think it is "normal" or desirable for life to contain a 14-page list of rules and policies, and consent forms, and action-response teams, just for people to get together and have fun?? Or to suffer PTSD from a drunk guy touching your chest for a second, which we can't even tell if it was on purpose or even knowing, or another guy merely standing near you in a musical event? Do you also really think it is a desirable or even achievable thing for all of society to organize itself around the feelings of the most emotionally vulnerable?
I probably shouldn't even comment on this, there's no benefit. It's just that this has got to be the most flabbergasting piece of writing I've ever come across. And I'm guessing the reason that other people said things publicly (though without naming you) is because they feel strongly on principle that your conduct was wrong. But you've created a mental construct and set of expectations where no one can even directly address you or disagree with you, because if they do you're going to cry and need therapy and accuse them of harming you...you're creating a no win situation where either things go exactly as you want or some great injustice has occurred. To tell you the truth it kinda seems a lot like "topping from the bottom", so to speak, but in a totally non-sexual manner, where you have a major desire to control other people and bend them to your will, but you try to do it via trauma and vulnerability rather than aggression.
Have you thought about what it might feel like if you were just standing listening to music in a public venue and some person standing near you decided they didn't like your look or vibes so they decided to scream at you to fuck off and get away from them?
Again, I truly am not trying to be mean, especially because someone as emotionally fragile as you portray yourself to be seems dangerous. But I think you have serious emotional problems and I guess there's no "nice" way to say that, so I'm just saying it. It does not sound like you are equipped for dealing with life. It actually IS a problem, for everyone else, when people invent melodramas about being victimized based on nothing really happening other than bad feelings in their head. It is not going to ever lead to a good outcome, and will consistently scare people off and make them want to avoid you. This piece was truly alarming, I hope you get some help, and by that I mean actually useful help, not just encouraging this madness by telling you what you want to hear.
Moral anti-realism is a big thing in many “””rationalist””” spaces.
If you don’t think morality is real and only fear consequences if caught, why would you not act the way these men acted? Not everyone has a conscience. Maybe associate with moral explicitly ethical people.
thanks for this comment- i agree! it's a good encapsulation of a few things i didn't 'get' about rationalism/ists until recently
i definitely felt the ick around some of them in person before this happened and wish i had listened to it but c'est la vie
I have to be honest I truly thought this was a parody for almost the first half, but I guess it is not?
I do not want to be mean here, I really don't, especially because it seems that you really are extraordinarily fragile, though I can't tell if that's something you can help or actually something you seem to idealize?
But just...have you considered the possibility that the reason people think you are neurotic and paranoid and out of bounds is not because they're brainwashed by the patriarchy or defending themselves against their own internal pain or whatever it is you think, but that you really are unhealthily neurotic and paranoid? In a bad way? What probability do you assign that? If you were suffering paranoid delusions or far outside behavioral norms, how would you be able to tell? Because I'll say from an outsider's perspective, this sounds crazy.
Do you really think it is "normal" or desirable for life to contain a 14-page list of rules and policies, and consent forms, and action-response teams, just for people to get together and have fun?? Or to suffer PTSD from a drunk guy touching your chest for a second, which we can't even tell if it was on purpose or even knowing, or another guy merely standing near you in a musical event? Do you also really think it is a desirable or even achievable thing for all of society to organize itself around the feelings of the most emotionally vulnerable?
I probably shouldn't even comment on this, there's no benefit. It's just that this has got to be the most flabbergasting piece of writing I've ever come across. And I'm guessing the reason that other people said things publicly (though without naming you) is because they feel strongly on principle that your conduct was wrong. But you've created a mental construct and set of expectations where no one can even directly address you or disagree with you, because if they do you're going to cry and need therapy and accuse them of harming you...you're creating a no win situation where either things go exactly as you want or some great injustice has occurred. To tell you the truth it kinda seems a lot like "topping from the bottom", so to speak, but in a totally non-sexual manner, where you have a major desire to control other people and bend them to your will, but you try to do it via trauma and vulnerability rather than aggression.
Have you thought about what it might feel like if you were just standing listening to music in a public venue and some person standing near you decided they didn't like your look or vibes so they decided to scream at you to fuck off and get away from them?
Again, I truly am not trying to be mean, especially because someone as emotionally fragile as you portray yourself to be seems dangerous. But I think you have serious emotional problems and I guess there's no "nice" way to say that, so I'm just saying it. It does not sound like you are equipped for dealing with life. It actually IS a problem, for everyone else, when people invent melodramas about being victimized based on nothing really happening other than bad feelings in their head. It is not going to ever lead to a good outcome, and will consistently scare people off and make them want to avoid you. This piece was truly alarming, I hope you get some help, and by that I mean actually useful help, not just encouraging this madness by telling you what you want to hear.
miss me with your internalized misogyny :) ttyn
I figured that would be the answer but I wish you luck nonetheless.
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